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as a way to restrain spending. the record shows this is what works better in the u.s. however, having put that very contentious idea on the table for all of you to tear to shreds, the reason i bring it up is because i could not find polling data on this, but when i went out and talked to a two- party people, i would ask them point-blank -- what if you could get very large reductions in spending and the price of that was some modest increase in taxes? would you take that? you would get smaller deficits and smaller government as a result, and they all said no. they were more allergic to raising taxes than they were to having the government grow, which i thought was surprising. you saw that same dynamic, by the way, in the republican primary debate. >> i think that is a great point. i have not seen polling data, but in my interviews, this also came up. what was shown was that actually would favor some sort of compromise if it were guaranteed that the spending decreases would actually go into effect, and that is typically the reluctance to any kind of tax increase at all -- that typically the
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